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An interview with nomad and wanderlust Katie Oswald

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By Kimberly Gerry-Tucker

I lately had the pleasure of interviewing Katie Oswald, a self-described nomad with wanderlust. She is a world traveler, filled with coronary heart and objective. Katie approached me by way of social media and I couldn’t assist but assume…I need to be Katie once I grow up!

As Government Director of a nonprofit referred to as “Full Spectrum Agency for Autistic Adults,” in Ann Arbor, Michigan, her group’s vision of acceptance and inclusion, aligns with Art of Autism’s values. Involved with research abroad packages and the Peace Corps Masters Worldwide program, this younger lady actually is going locations. Believing strongly in help and autistic-led group, Katie’s nonprofit’s principal aim is “significant opportunities for autistics” with “acceptance, respect, and open hearts and minds.” Meet Katie Oswald! Right here is our interview:

KIM: Hello Katie. You’ve been so busy. You’ve traveled to 18 nations on all seven continents, completed a podcast with JR Reed at ”not weird, just autistic,” and given talks at Autism Conferences. What is your background?

KATIE: In high school I played in a band and worked within the service business. I have a BS in statistics from Michigan State College. I did three research overseas packages – two in Russia and one in Antarctica and Argentina. I ended up going to Clemson College for an MS in Utilized Economics and Statistics. During my degree, I went to Uganda for 2 years as a Peace Corps Volunteer.

KIM: You’ve gotten some one-of-a-kind photographs, what an expertise!

Kiziranfubi Village Savings & Loan Meeting

KATIE: It changed my life beyond words. I lived by myself in a rural village referred to as Kiziranfumbi. There was one other volunteer in our village for the primary six months, however after he left, it was just me and the villagers. I needed to integrate and adapt to the culture to study the belief of the individuals in my village before I might create packages. This took a couple of months, after which I started quite a lot of packages, together with a village savings and mortgage affiliation for ladies and a computer expertise coaching program.

KIM: Now that may be a life changing expertise, each for you, and for the individuals you helped in Kiziranfumbi. Savings and mortgage and pc coaching are invaluable expertise for us all, for these of us who’re autistic, like myself, and in addition for individuals normally. I’m positive you encountered many undiagnosed autistic individuals in your travels however I think autism isn’t on the radar in most of the nations you visited.

KATIE: It’s true that autism isn’t on the radar there. In most creating nations I feel you’ll discover little to no consciousness of autism. For many individuals in creating nations, they are simply making an attempt to survive from everyday, be sure that they know the place their meals are coming from immediately, and if they’ve anything additional, perhaps get drugs for the youngsters or pay faculty fees so they can maintain going to high school. In a state of affairs like that, there isn’t any time to think about a lot else.

Katie Oswald with Wakiso Host family

KIM: The grins! Was it straightforward for you to take up the variations in cultures?

KATIE: It’s a real challenge to integrate into a new culture, nevertheless it’s a challenge I enjoyed for probably the most part. Life in a creating country may sound terrible to some westerners, however you’ll discover completely happy individuals in all places. In some methods this easy way of life is liberating. I feel we don’t absolutely perceive how detrimental it’s for our brains to be continuously processing mass quantities of data and knowledge, as we all the time are in western tradition. On this respect, I like Ugandan culture more than U.S.

KIM: That assertion is powerful and a reminder to all of us to be not only grateful and humble however aware that the world is a much bigger place than what we see around us. The other day I saw a pop-up ad on social media for adhesive strips which might be applied to the highest of one’s eyelids to fight “droopy” eyelids. Once I saw this advert, I thought of what you stated about Ugandan culture, about priorities and about being joyful. Are many westerners really so concerned, I assumed, about whether their eyelids droop, and prepared to pay cash so they’re ‘lifted,’ when in truth so much of the world is making do with issues like having no plumbing and little to eat. These are a number of the cultural differences I imagine should have been troublesome for you once you have been dwelling there.

KATIE: The belongings you assume are going to be onerous are comparatively straightforward to get used to – no operating water, intermittent electrical energy, no leisure options, and little variety of meals, for example. These end up being no massive deal. Using a latrine is straightforward, bucket bathing is absolutely fulfilling, and having time to assume was, for me, a welcome change from the quick pace and constant overwhelm of the U.S.

KIM: Bucket bathing! I’ve finished a bit of of that myself. I come from a humble background and sometimes I used to be instructed to “save the water on your father. He’ll want a very good soak when he gets residence from work.” We had properly water that ran dry quite shortly after which needed to build again up. I typically “bathed” from a cache of warm water within the toilet sink. And but, as poor as we have been at occasions, I had entry to caring academics in a public faculty instructional system, which is very easy to take without any consideration, and I did. What is your take-away on a number of the deeper cultural points you encountered?

Masai Mari Tribe

KATIE: These are tougher to simply accept. Just like the poor remedy of animals, the fatalist angle that makes everyone appear so apathetic at occasions, and the mob justice because of lack of public regulation enforcement. I came to phrases with each of those over time to some extent. The individuals are competing with the animals for food, so the presence of too many stray canine can literally be a life and demise state of affairs. Having no voice in civic issues and government forces individuals to take issues into their own arms when it comes to regulation enforcement. That is additionally a survival situation. It takes a very long time to really understand and settle for this, and naturally, it made me really indignant at occasions. I might say it takes a yr or extra to start out understanding the deeper cultural issues, so this depth of understanding didn’t happen till I used to be over half approach via my service. However like I stated, one can find glad individuals in any country you visit.

KIM: What’s the arts scene there, as a result of for me, and so many individuals, artwork serves as a therapeutic outlet and an necessary strategy to categorical oneself.

KATIE: There’s not an arts scene in the best way we think of an arts scene, but music is a part of each day life.

KIM: That is good to listen to. I consider that each one human beings need art indirectly, and music is an artwork unto itself.

KATIE: You’ll hear Ugandans singing while they work as you stroll by way of the village. It’s common to see individuals singing and dancing, whether it is to hip hop or traditional Ugandan music. It is typically part of nonprofit programming. For instance, in my village, music was used extensively in an HIV prevention program that used improv to show younger individuals about HIV.

KIM: That’s fascinating. You make a distinction on the planet.

KATIE: My experience in Peace Corps made me understand how succesful I actually am, and it sparked my ardour for serving to others via nonprofit work. Once I returned to the states, I worked for a nonprofit in Detroit as the Supervisor of Packages and Operations for a ladies’s entrepreneurship initiative. Later I labored as a Senior Analyst & Evaluator for a small consulting firm, the place I labored on evaluation for a large funder of nonprofit packages in Southeast Michigan. I discovered rather a lot about nonprofit administration, program analysis, and grant writing, however I additionally discovered that I don’t thrive in any respect in a typical 9-5 work setting.

KIM: Many people don’t thrive in that setting, which is among the causes I do business from home in software program. Let’s speak about how you’re serving to autistic adults, as a result of so many people, once we “age out” of autism help geared towards youngsters…we don’t know what to do or the place to turn. Journey really is a life-changing and perspective-altering experience and yet so many individuals don’t have that have and don’t know where to begin or the way to go about planning journeys abroad. You’ve began your personal consulting company,Katie, to assist autistic adults discover ways to journey and being location unbiased as you’re, you will have been to 18 nations on all seven continents.

KATIE: Yes, I have a travel company to assist different autistic travelers to vary their lives via travel, and I just lately launched my very own nonprofit for autistic adults. So, I’m not using my diploma a lot in any respect, but I wouldn’t have reached this point in my life with out it, so I’m grateful for the experience.

KIM: As an autistic individual myself, I can consider so many ways a travel coach would come in useful. What kinds of things do you help individuals with? Let’s say I am planning a trip to Greece. In what ways would you be of help?

KATIE: So, it varies from shopper to shopper. In case you are planning a trip to Greece and also you aren’t an experienced traveler or you don’t need to do all the planning your self, I might provide help to find flights, lodging, activities, and so on. and allow you to plan your expertise.

KIM: I’ve no clue about that stuff so I may be in search of your help sooner or later. 🙂

KATIE: We might work collectively to figure out what you undoubtedly need to do and see, and which experiences are non-compulsory, so that you simply schedule some breaks and free time into your trip. One of many largest mistakes I see individuals make is overscheduling. You undoubtedly need to have some gaps in your itinerary for once you discover something that wasn’t advertised on TripAdvisor, like a extra local experience that you simply gained’t find on the internet.

KIM: You’re spot on about that. Downtime is essential for therefore many causes.

KATIE: Yes, you don’t need to get overwhelmed or burned out. That is how individuals find yourself coming house more exhausted than they have been before. As an autistic individual, I typically need entire days off from website seeing. Every individual is totally different, so I might work with you to help put collectively a balanced and versatile itinerary.

For many who dislike making telephone calls, I’ll contact the airports and airways in your behalf to seek out out what lodging might be made for you and what documentation, if any, you will have to carry with you. In the U.S., TSA Cares will let you undergo a separate security process so you don’t have to stand according to the mob, which for some, may cause a meltdown.

KIM: I never knew that was an choice!

KATIE: Totally different airways have totally different insurance policies, however many will allow you to pre-board and get situated before everyone else boards. Some will send a employees individual to stroll you to the gate. Most will do what they will in-flight to accommodate your wants, but you do want to speak with the airline prematurely.

I might do the same together with your motels or different accommodations, tour corporations, and different service providers, relying in your specific wants, to ensure you have the absolute best travel experience.

For those who need assistance figuring out how one can get a visa, what immunizations you may need for the nations you’re visiting, find out how to get travel insurance, and just about anything you could find overwhelming about planning a visit, I will help with that. It’s very individualized service.

Along with the journey planning, I can coach you by way of video calls and speak by means of totally different situations that you could be experience during journey, so you are feeling confident and able to travel. This is useful for first time travelers.


KATIE: My journey experiences have had a huge effect on who I am, which has influenced the strategy I take with shoppers. We speak rather a lot about expectations and what you need to get out of your travel experience, and I encourage shoppers to set private objectives for themselves. For instance, say you need to grow to be extra patient. Journey in creating nations is ideal for working on endurance, since nothing happens based on plan. So, your objectives can affect your destination, your mode of transportation, your actions, and other elements of your journey. I might have you fee your endurance degree earlier than and after the journey and get further suggestions six months after you come back. It could possibly take some time to process the impression a visit has had, so I wish to get feedback after some time has handed.

KIM: Recommendation for first-time travelers?

KATIE: For some travelers, I’ll advocate a follow journey. In case you haven’t traveled earlier than, a solo journey to India might be not the perfect first selection! One thing as simple as being a vacationer in your personal town or a close-by city will help you prepare for longer and extra long-distance journeys sooner or later.

KIM: Are you able to inform me about Full Spectrum Agency, what inspired you and how it happened?

KATIE: Nicely, I had been in search of some time for a meetup group for autistic individuals. This was early in 2018. I found a number of that have been particularly for Aspergers, which have been only for these with low help needs, however I couldn’t find something that was inclusive of everyone on the spectrum. So, I started that myself. It’s an autistic led group for autistic adults.

KIM: This reminds me of an exquisite advocate I had in the 90s who worked pro-bono with my family. He needed to start out a meet-up like the one you described however was discouraged from doing so and by no means did. I keep in mind him saying, “I don’t assume I can make this occur. Given the loner traits of so many autistic individuals I do know, I’d in all probability set up a time and day for a gaggle to satisfy and then I’d end up with an empty room.”

Provided that autistic individuals could be extroverted, introverted, outgoing or inside their own heads, how would you tackle what my pal and advocate needed to say about autistic meet-ups and his prediction they in all probability wouldn’t work?

KATIE: I found that there was a huge want in my region. I expected to go the first time and have at most one or two individuals. However I was stunned when seven individuals confirmed up. We meet 2-3 occasions per thirty days, and I don’t assume we’ve ever had a smaller group than that and we frequently have as many as 12.

KIM: I went to “social expertise group” for years and ended up making a good friend or two that I shared actions and time with, outdoors the group. I feel of all of them; once in a while and nonetheless keep up a correspondence with a number of, so I can attest to the truth that meet-ups are an amazing thing. It’s exhausting typically to seek out members of ”our tribe” and a selected meet-up could be important in assembly like-minded people we wouldn’t have otherwise met.

KATIE: It’s totally different when it is all autistic individuals, for my part. A variety of what makes us anxious about going out into society is being judged for issues like stimming and appearing “totally different.” In a room filled with autistic individuals, there’s rocking and hand flapping, and other people just accept it. It’s no massive deal. Should you need a break, you possibly can come and go from the room with out being judged. You could be nonverbal and that’s okay, too.

KIM: That particularly is pricey to my coronary heart, as I’m a typically nonverbal individual. Writing and artwork are my strongest expressions of self.

KATIE: I inform our members that their presence is their participation. Some individuals talk via writing and drawing, and that’s simply high quality.

KIM: How did individuals discover your group?

KATIE: I exploit meetup.com, which is essentially the rationale so many people came upon about he group at first. We’ve got 74 members within the online group and about 20 who come to meetups considerably frequently. The group expanded really rapidly, and as I noticed how great the necessity was for autistic adults who are feeling actually isolated to have a gaggle of people they will speak to regularly, I decided to launch it right into a nonprofit so I can increase our programming.

I’ve partnered with native nonprofits like Ann Arbor Middle for Unbiased Dwelling and the Arc of Livingston County to seek out area for our meetups and broaden into other counties. I had individuals driving an hour or extra each method to attend a two hour meetup!

KIM: Nicely, there you go! That’s proof there is a want! For a couple of years I attended “social expertise groups” myself, as I stated earlier, and I used to be prepared to journey a half hour there and back by taxi (I don’t drive) to get there. How is an autistic meet-up totally different from, let’s say, the social expertise group I met with?

KATIE: We meet 2-3 occasions per thirty days…

KIM: That’s just like the one I attended as nicely.


KATIE: Two of our meetings are sometimes dialogue teams, which I facilitate partially as a silent meeting to accommodate those who are nonverbal or less verbal, and the second half as a verbal discussion to accommodate those that like to speak more. In the course of the silent assembly portion, after I introduce our matter, we spend somewhat time writing our thoughts and ideas on sticky notes. We stick them up on the white board and everybody has an opportunity to learn them before we open it as much as dialogue. This makes it protected for individuals to share their thoughts anonymously and doesn’t create the strain of, “oh no, that man just stated what I was going to say. Now I don’t have anything to contribute!” It makes it more inclusive and I’ve had a very great response up to now to any such meetup structure.

Shifting the main target from “studying social expertise” to “socializing” makes it much less about fixing a perceived deficit and extra about group. Individuals study new social expertise by interacting with others and follow their expertise with out the added strain from the expectation of learning a talent.

KIM: I’ve to ask, do you help any artwork packages?

KATIE: We are beginning to do a lot more actions now that we’ve got so many members. I’m wanting ahead to doing much more artwork associated programming. The humanities are a method we talk with others, and it is empowering for autistic individuals to seek out their inventive voice, whether it’s in visible arts, writing, music, or one other artwork type. In the autism group we speak rather a lot about various communication and other people typically think of a computer that speaks for us, however the arts are additionally an essential various communication technique for autistic individuals.

KIM: You converse the truth.

KATIE: There are loads of arts packages in Ann Arbor, and sometimes we schedule meetups around present occasions. For instance, we are going once a month to a people music jam-along at an area church that’s run by someone from their congregation and that has been a ton of enjoyable! I feel it has been notably empowering for our nonverbal members. We’re also planning a trip to Detroit to go to the Detroit Institute of Arts and other museums this summer time.

Lots of our members are artists and luxuriate in painting, drawing, and pottery. There are so many arts packages in our group that our members have delivered to my attention, and these might be future meetups. I wish to get feedback from our members repeatedly about what sort of activities they need to do, and we get a whole lot of requests for mindfulness & meditation, visible arts, and music.

KIM: I actually like that idea.

KATIE: The chances are countless, and members are beginning to plan their own meetups and alluring others from the group, which I encourage. It’s serving to individuals construct relationships.

KIM: So… April is an enormous autism “consciousness” month, but for those of us who reside with it on a regular basis, autism is everyday, not just one month a yr.

KATIE: After doing a group wants evaluation, we recognized probably the most pressing want (except for opportunities for socialization to stop isolation, which is the purpose of the meetups) are educating the group about autism.

KIM: What steps are you taking to teach the group?

KATIE: Along with expanding the meetup groups geographically, I’m going to launch a program that brings individuals from the group along with autistic adults in a protected area, for a meal and discussion.

KIM: I feel this a worthwhile program and I hope that folks reading this, may be impressed to do the same thing in their communities. What would a program like this appear to be?

KATIE: Autistic individuals can share what they need neurotypical members to know, and neurotypicals can ask Autistic individuals the questions they have been afraid to ask, or simply don’t know who to ask. We’ll run it similarly to our meetup groups, the place individuals are allowed to remain anonymous by writing on notice playing cards earlier than opening it up to discussion. We would like everybody to feel snug and construct bridges between the autistic and neurotypical communities.

KIM: That made me smile. I perceive, that like myself and so many individuals, you are a blogger. What do you write about?

KATIE: My weblog is about touring the world as a nomadic autistic adult.

KIM: I forgot to ask you earlier than – can you explain what impressed you to be a travel coach?

KATIE: Sure! So, once I was younger, I didn’t like interacting with the world in any respect. I didn’t even like to go away the house. If it have been as much as me, I might have lived as a “hermit,” writing and enjoying music all day, and reading books. Although I nonetheless take pleasure in that sort of way of life a minimum of half of the time, I additionally take pleasure in exploring the world, studying new cultures and concepts, and meeting new individuals.

                         But I wouldn’t have recognized that if I hadn’t tried it.

I can attribute nearly all of my confidence, independence, and open-minded worldview to travel. It modified my life in profoundly constructive methods, and I would like other autistic adults to know that it will possibly do this for them, as nicely.

KIM: Simply the thought of travel may be scary for some individuals. Change in familiar surroundings and new routines…

KATIE: In fact, I used to be scared the primary few occasions I traveled in another country, and I still get really anxious before any journey. But what I’ve discovered is that I don’t should journey like a neurotypical. I can journey the best way I need to journey. The most important mistake I feel individuals make is this idea that I’ve to see every little thing because I’ll never be again here once more!

Nicely, guess what? You don’t need to see every thing. And in case you attempt to, you will burn your self out and feel exhausted, and also you gained’t have excellent reminiscences of your trip.

Once I travel, I’ve a number of issues I really need to see and some other ideas in case I feel like doing more. I typically journey for several weeks and even months at a time, and it’s not unusual for me to remain in for 3 consecutive days to keep away from burnout. I’m experiencing my life and it’s fantastic. I’m going exploring in nature, in museums, making an attempt new kinds of meals, seeing new musicians and artists, and I’ve a very great time.

KIM: I really like to go to timber native to the world and nature once I journey and go to artworks in museums. For me, I recharge my inner battery, so to speak, when I am with nature and incorporating that into journey is important to me. I sit up for studying your blog.

KATIE: I hope my travel weblog evokes different autistic adults to start out exploring extra. If reading the articles is all of the inspiration you need, that’s nice! If not, I’m out there for hire that will help you plan & e-book your trip, determine and show you how to achieve your private progress objectives by way of journey, and advocate in your behalf with airlines, inns, and other travel service suppliers. I supply a free 30-minute session to study extra about your wants and see if my providers are a very good match for you.

KIM: I perceive you’re aspiring to have an autistic majority board of directors? Does one should be local to your area to inquire about that?

KATIE: Not essentially. I’m open to hearing from autistic individuals around the globe. I might notably welcome these with experience in HR, communications, fundraising, or monetary management. But these talent sets will not be required. The only necessities are a ardour for our mission, roughly 8-10 hours a month of your time, and the power to both donate funds, fundraise from others, or each.

KIM: Control this young lady! She is going places (errr… pun meant.) I absolutely help your agency, Katie Oswald, and I thanks for doing this interview. You encourage me!

Are you able to inform everyone easy methods to get in touch and where to read your writing?

Katie Oswald

KATIE: I might be reached by e mail at [email protected] For Full Spectrum Company for Autistic Adults, we’re engaged on an internet site. For now, you’ll find us on

Facebook and Twitter @FullSpectrumASD. My weblog is here: Autistic Travel Coach.

You’ll find me on Fb and Twitter at @ASDTravelCoach. You’ll be able to schedule a free 30-minute session with me Here at 30 Minute Assembly. I welcome consultations for these serious about hiring me as a travel advocate and coach, are occupied with starting their very own meetup chapter, or want to rent a grants or analysis marketing consultant for his or her nonprofit.